Blog: Finally, a Plan for the AES Property

AES unveils plans for its new Redondo Beach facility.

Full Disclosure: As of this date, I have never met nor have I had a conversation with any employee of AES. In spite of accusations posted here and elsewhere, I have never been paid one cent by AES or anyone representing the company. I met one time with someone I’ve known for a few years who recently started working as a contractor (I assume) for AES, but that’s as far as my contact with the company goes and has ever gone. Oh yeah, I did call the plant for a comment on a story I wrote about noise a couple years ago.

I guess I also have to disclose I attended an event on Saturday, Nov. 3 during which plans for the new power plant were unveiled. AES bought me lunch, but for anyone who may want to spin that into something more sinister, I offer this assurance. If I ever decide to sell my opinions, it will cost a lot more than lunch to buy them.

My biggest criticism of the highly vocal and visible little group of people who want to force the power plant out of Redondo Beach has been that they don’t have a viable plan. All they would have to do to prove me wrong is to act like every other group of people who have a plan to develop a plot of land in the United States. Acquire the land, go through the regulatory and permit process, and start building.

Nopowerplant.com cannot and will not follow this simple process that everyone else in the country who has a plan for land development has to follow. Why? Because they have no plan, at least no real plan.

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Jim Light November 05, 2012 at 05:10 AM
Wrong again Harry. On multiple counts. First, rezoning by initiative is a tool reserved for the residents by the California Constitution. And this is not the first time it has been used. NoPowerPlant.com resorted to the initiative when the Council failed to act in public's best interest and stop the power plant. The zoning, the City Attorney's title and summary and the Notice of Intent were in each petition book and posted on the web. The zoning was vetted with the public for six months. Far more input than the public has with City zoning. So Harry, your assessment is once again one sided and wrong. The petitions garnered just under 7,500 registered voters. More than any elected official in Redondo. The funding came from well over 250 residents. And over 100 gave up their free time to collect those 7500 signatures. About 50 showed up at the last minute to rally outside AES for over three hours on a beautiful Saturday to show their continued support. NoPowerPlant.com has a plan - you just refuse to recognize it. 1) rezone the property so that the CEC will deny AES permit. 2) Once the new zoning is in place, work with the State Coastal Conservancy to start getting funds together for when the plant retires in 2018-2020. 3) Let AES work with developers for the 30 to 40% of their property that is zoned commercial. We know developers are interested.
Harry Munns November 05, 2012 at 04:36 PM
Jim, you have dominated the conversation by speaking louder and more often than others. I'm pretty sure that will come to an end in the foreseeable future. I'll make you a deal. If you and your associates go to AES and buy the land, I'll shut up. If you don't, please extend me the same courtesy.
Jim Light November 05, 2012 at 06:10 PM
You are right Harry - I am passionate when it comes to zoning mistakes of Redondo. We have the opportunity to make our harbor area the crown jewel of the South Bay. Overdevelopment and a new power plant are contrary to this outcome. We have a chance to do this right. And I intend to strive for the future of our city every step of the way. As to your over simplified description of how our waterfront should be protected... That's not the way funding works Harry and you know it. We have the State Coastal Conservancy ready to help ready get the funds to buy the public portion of the site. But they can't do a thing until the zoning is in place. They've already stated they could not support a small park wedged between a power plant and commercial development that is currently AES' plan. The Commercial/Institutional portion requires AES involvement. The City, the community, and AES should partner to work out an acceptable soultion for that part of the AES site.
Alexander Starr November 05, 2012 at 06:29 PM
Munns plan for AES: Do nothing. Let AES build a new power plant that will blight our coast and pollute our air for 50+ years. Great plan Munns. And to think that Munns was, until recently, our Harbor Commisioner. What a disgraceful position for someone who was meant to represent the interest of our beautiful Harbor. Pathetic. You represent the ideals of the corrupted old and current RB political special interests that destroyed our historical downtown, approved huge buildings destroying ocean views at Catalina, push for high density housing at any opportunity, and cheered for the "Heart of the City" scam that would have put 3000 condos at the AES site. For full details that debunks once gain any of Munns sophomoric whining and outright lies, check out this site that explains how we the plan to get rid of AES and create open space and commercial businesses that will be the RE-BIRTH of Redondo's Harbor Area! http://aesredondomustgo.blog.com/power-plant-faqs/
Mike2 November 05, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Hey Starr, what time have you put into the City. Just because someone disagrees with you and your communist approach to stealing property rights you call them all kinds of names. Are you telling me you want huge park on the waterfront. Do you really believe that is what our city needs? Have you been to Wilson Park recently. Is that what you want to see in Redondo? Really? Also, how much money are you willing to risk to be sued by AES. If some Moaist was trying to steal my property I would certainly sue. And, no matter what Jim LIght's attorneys, who just made a whole bundle of money from the City, say, AES has a very good chance of winning the lawsuit. Will you agree to pay more when AES wins? Will you agree to be the first without electricity in a rolling black out because you drank the kool-aid to tear down an electrical generating station? At the very least you should ask Jim Light to put up some of the $550,000 he got from the lawsuit. By the way, have you asked for an accounting on that money from your fearless leader? Perhaps you should stop looking for corruption in a city where there is none and look a little closer at the guy you seem to blindly follow where ever he may lead.
Mike2 November 05, 2012 at 08:55 PM
PS: Work with the Coastal Conservancy? Are you kidding me? That blowhard with the stupid looking bow tie who said they didn't have any money. The guy shows a picture of a bunch of locals standing around a beach volleyball court in bathing suits watching a match and claims "this is what everyone else in the country thinks of you." As it it was a bad thing. And bow tie guy is the person you bring into to represent your side? Bad choice. Council asked the guy for info five years ago and received nothing. And that's the group you have as a center piece of your plant. I agree with Mr. Munns. In this country, the United States of America, if you don't like whats on a piece of property you buy it then make the changes. The government is not allowed to come in and "take" property.
Jim Light November 05, 2012 at 10:48 PM
Mike2 - wrong. He did produce the funding source document requested. Somehow the City misplaced it. The Coastal Conservancy has already spent over $100K for studies. But the current Council ignore them. We, however, used these studies to base our initative zoning...since the Council refused to act. The State Coastal Conservancy has garnered millions of dollars for Bolsa Chica, PV, and Ballona Creek. They want to help Redondo and this is the reception they gets? Mike2 refuses to look at the facts and instead casts out falsehoods and ad hominem attacks. Mike2 if you are so into property rights where were you when most of Redondo was downzoned? The city didn't buy all that property. Where were you when Gin vetoed the Pearl Plaza development? Redondo didn't buy that property. Sorry Mike2. Zoning is a way to ensure compatability of uses in a densely populated area. AES has no right to build a new power plant. Even under current zoning it is a "conditional use" requiring Council approval. City reports back our position that the power plant is incompatible with surrounding land uses. AES has no right to pollute our air. The initiative IS due process prtected by the California Constitution and zoning is the control mechanism just like it is for any property owner. AES is a company not a resident and not a voter. Their execs do not have to live with the blight and pollution we do. They take their profits back to Virginia.
Jim Light November 05, 2012 at 10:58 PM
Mike2 - BBR lawsuit funds - libelously false. Rolling black outs... pure fear mongering. Lawsuit assessment - pure speculation Rather than ad hominem attacks and fear mongering, why don't you try a cogent, well supported argument?
Alexander Starr November 06, 2012 at 12:24 AM
@Mike 2: Jim Light summed your response perfectly: "libelously false, pure fear mongering and pure speculation". Case closed. Print your real name, if you believe so strongly in your views, and have some courage! Otherwise, you are just an anonymous internet troll with no credibility.
Bruce Szeles November 06, 2012 at 03:10 AM
Harry, your ego is so hugh that if it could create energy, we would not need any power plants anywhere. Like all your other posts you are the it guy who is in the know who goes to "events" where AES reveals it's plans for there new plant. If public out reach only consists of 149 people in Redondo Beach then that is not much of an out reach on AES' part. No press release from AES except for the proclimation that you NOW support AES' plan. Nothing new here folks just Harry and his self importance.
Jim Light November 06, 2012 at 06:24 AM
Mike2 (2 cowardly to list his real name) - I forgot to mention - the Communists would never have given the people the power to do zoning changes by a vote of the people. So your communist assertion is yet another inaccurate attack. And you have your geography all wrong...Wilson Park is not on the waterfront. More fearmongering... this time with a racist tonality. Look at Bolsa Chica wetlands - no menacing crowd there. Look at Aviation, Alta Vista and Perry Park... I'm not sure what fear factor you have there. Add a much needed sports field or two and some jogging paths that connect to the Hermosa Greenbelt and Strand. Add a playground for kids in the neighborhoods on Catalina. And the new park will be full of locals. We are "critically underserved" by public recreational space in Redondo by state standards. So yes. I really do want a large public recreational open space between our harbor and the neighborhoods just inland. Of course, along with the 30-40% commercial and institutional development to support it (as included in the initiative zoning). Demonizing parkland - the epitome of absurdity.
Harry Munns November 06, 2012 at 04:25 PM
Mike2, let me read between the lines a little bit for you. When Jim Light writes the word "libelous" it is intended to intimidate you by suggesting that he will sue you the way he sued the city and others. In our public school system it's called bullying. He has a pretty good track record for winning lawsuits so watch out if it becomes more than a momentary tantrum.
Jim Light November 06, 2012 at 05:58 PM
Nice character assassination attempt Harry. When you don't have a supportable argument, attack the opponent personally.... age old tactic. But again you are wrong... I used the word "libel" because what Mike 2's post fit the defintiion: "to publish in print...an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation". Anyone can verify that the judges in the BBR case and the City's appeal awarded "legal costs" to be reimbursed. And they did not award all our legal costs. The judges did not award "damages". BBR and our Attorney settled with the City to reduce those costs to expedite closure of the matter. Had there been excess cash awarded, BBR as a non-profit, has bylaws that prohibit the officers from being paid. So for Mike2 to state that I had money from that lawsuit is provably wrong. It fits the definition of libel, so that is what I called. Even if I wanted to sue, Mike2 is too cowardly to reveal his true name. As always, I call out inaccuracies and deceit, which Mike2's post was full of. So Harry, it is easy to see who is doing the bullying here. All you have to do is check the facts and content of the posts. If you want to rely on character assassinations and mistruths, go right ahead. But don't go crying when people correct you.
Alexander Starr November 06, 2012 at 05:58 PM
BBR sued the city of RB when they broke the law and refused to put the proposed zoning changes at the Harbor for a vote of the people. That's a rightous lawsuit--to defend our rights. AES sued residents supporting measure DD. You defend AES. You are a disgrace once again, Munns.
Harry Munns November 06, 2012 at 06:35 PM
Jim, I find it interesting trying to figure out who you're going to sue next and how much it will cost the taxpayers. It would be kind of fun if the results didn't have such a serious impact on our community. If you were able to take an objective look around our city, you'd find that the rest of us try our hardest to find a way to solve our disagreements through dialogue, not by filing initiatives and lawsuits. We certainly have the right to take those routes to resolve disagreements, we just don't. It's called citizenship. Your current initiative has all but guaranteed one thing, it will result in at least one lawsuit and that suit will cost the taxpayers money, maybe lots of money. I'm sure you'll say that's all the fault of AES. It isn't really a matter of whether you're right or wrong. It's about how willing you are to pursue a path that has a near certainty of causing injury to every taxpayer in the city of Redondo Beach. That's my complaint. For that reason, your bid to become the council representative in District 1 is probably going to be more about how much damage you'll do to the the city than how much good your opponent(s) will do, which is another disservice to the community. If you call your lawyer to see about filing suit against me for expressing my opinion here, make sure you find out whether you fit the definition of a public official. He or she will explain how that changes your legal standing.
Jim Light November 06, 2012 at 07:19 PM
Well Harry - we met with AES several times. They refused to engage on anything that did not have a power plant. We have never said AES won't sue. Anyone can sue. But we have confidence the zoning is legal. I do not think the City should roll over and accept an unneeded, blighting, polluting power plant for the next 50 years just becasue AES tries to bully us into submission with lawsuit threats. So yes, I think the City should stand firm against AES. And I do not believe the incredible claims of how much it will cost. We pay over $300K per year for the Performing Arts Center. We have paid over $1M for harbor consulting. We should not roll over on our waterfront for threat of a lawsuit. If you think a waterfront without a power plant is damage to the City, then that's what my campaign will be about. I have a vision for Redondo and it does not include a power plant on the waterfront. You are cracking me up about a suit against you. Not worth the time, effort, or money.
Harry Munns November 07, 2012 at 10:38 PM
Whew! That's a relief Jim. So I guess you only sue when it's worth your "time, effort or money". I guess you've proven that causing economic hardship to every man, woman and child in the city of Redondo Beach by taking money from the city that would have otherwise gone to benefit us all is worth your "time, effort or money". I'm just wondering at what point will the city get poor enough to reach my status of being protected from your lawsuits. If you keep suing the city, maybe we'll find out.
Jim Light November 07, 2012 at 10:45 PM
Get real Harry. BBR sued on behalf of the residents when the City violated the City Charter. The lawsuit was funded by disenfranchised residents. In all four judges found that the City did indeed violate the Charter. If you want to go after the lawsuit bullies, turn to your buddies at AES. They sued residents for their opinion on the UUT tax. And now they continue their threats on the City to keep them from acting against a new power plant. How about some substantive arguments for your pro-power plant position rather than character attacks.
Harry Munns November 08, 2012 at 12:07 AM
I simply point out what people can discover for themselves if they take the time to do the research. I seem to recall your name being the only name of an individual on a few court documents I saw. That will be kind of hard to deny. If it's an attach to point out what you've said and done, you can count on plenty more between now and March.
Jim Light November 08, 2012 at 12:16 AM
You keep avoiding the point that the judges found that the City broke the law. Yep a resident had to be on the lawsuit to ensure what is called "standing". I did the right thing and let my name be on the suit. But Harry, I am sure you can read and understand the meaning of "awarded legal fees". You should be able to comprehend that means I got nothing, though you and Mike2 imply otherwise. I expect the character attacks. But you undermine your own premise when it is actually AES who is threatening to sue. And it was AES who sued residents who opposed them on the UUT ballot measure. It is very clear they bully and intimidate to get their way. We opposed to the power plant refuse to be intimidated into inaction.
Harry Munns November 08, 2012 at 12:38 AM
You forgot the last part of the last sentence, "...no matter what it costs the taxpayers of Redondo Beach."
Jim Light November 08, 2012 at 03:05 AM
No, I just hate to keep embarassing the City Council. The City could have easily saved all the lawsuit money had they just followed the City Charter and listened to the over 100 residents who testified they wanted to vote on the zoning. After they lost the lawsuit, they threw good money after bad and appealled. Three judges threw out that appeal. As to the potential of a lawsuit from AES, if the initiative loses, there is no lawsuit. If the CEC overrides the City's zoning the zoning will be invalid and AES will not have to sue. But if we are successful: 1) I don't think it would cost anything close to what the fear mongers are throwing out there with no substantiation. 2) If the CEC denies their permit, AES will not have much of a leg to stand on. In fact our zoning gives them more value for their land than the current zoning. 3) We are confident our zoning is legal. 4) If AES does sue, so be it. The cost of a lawsuit would be dwarfed by the cost of 50 years of power plant blight, negative revenue impacts, negative property value impacts and the pollution we impose on residents. Remember the City has paid consultants over $1M in fees for the harbor/pier renovation. That's not breaking the bank. 5) If the CEC denies AES the permit to rebuild, AES will be totally reliant on the City to approve any development on their property. They would be stupid to sue the entity they rely on for future approvals.
DR November 08, 2012 at 03:32 AM
The guy with the bowtie who had pretty pictures but no money, and still hasn't come up with anything to date is Mr. Peter S. Brand, no relation to one-term Bill Brand.
Jim Light November 08, 2012 at 04:48 AM
Wrong again Mike 2 chicken to use his name. Peter Brand funded several activities this year. He clearly stated the City of Redondo is in no position to go for funding since the future use of the property is undetermined. Policy first. Zoning second. And then money. Pretty basic.
Harry Munns November 08, 2012 at 05:24 AM
You know Jim, the most threatening opponent you could have in your bid for a City Council seat is Jim Light. Keep talking!
Alexander Starr November 08, 2012 at 06:26 PM
Jim Light response are reasoned, logical, and proven by public recorded facts. Keep it going Jim! He will be a great Councilman. JIM LIGHT FOR CITY COUNCIL!! Munns ignores all this and attacks his character, which is all he can do as he has no facts on his side. Typical disgraceful behavior by Munns. You show the world your ignorance and bias.
sheri patterson November 12, 2012 at 06:09 AM
Sorry Harry. “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." ― Socrates


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